in san francisco and they started putting little segments on. i always had this sort of like eye towards the marketing side. as a form of survival aband as a form of interest. so i did, i was trying to hedge always and trying to create, like self-market myself, but i did not know where it would go. i did not know that i would eventually be hosting a show or be hosting in general. i did realize along the way that t.v. was a very key aspect to being able to have a viable career in the ski industry. >> how difficult, you know, all of that energy to win the gold, and i think of michael phelps right now in the olympics, you sort of hit a peak and he went through a process where there was a letdown. he said i don't need to do this anymore. dug through a similar process. >> i just saw the interview with michael phelps recently talking about the whole time after he won all those gold and he had the infamous bong incident and it was a time in his life when he was just done. >> done. >> it was great to see that, because i didn't know what was going on. i